tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23447705.post421505336482414504..comments2024-03-29T09:18:22.495+11:00Comments on Australian Health Information Technology: Weekly Australian Health IT Links – 5th August, 2013.Dr David G More MB PhDhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06902724829795199526noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23447705.post-89105119556750410772013-08-07T10:10:51.530+10:002013-08-07T10:10:51.530+10:00"Lets see how many of the NEHTA architects ar...<i>"Lets see how many of the NEHTA architects are "snapped up" by private industry..."</i><br /><br />Are you taking bets? If so, what are the odds for Zero take-up?<br /><br />LNP platform needs to be:<br /><br />1) Repeal Carbon Tax (Labor sin)<br />2) Repeal Minerals Resource Rent Tax (Labor sin)<br />3) <b>REPEAL NEHTA</b> (LNP Sin)<br /><br />Their credibility would alsoAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23447705.post-689839573147130332013-08-07T07:53:54.162+10:002013-08-07T07:53:54.162+10:00Lets hope the person who is counting backward from...Lets hope the person who is counting backward from 90 has some inside information. <br /><br />The demise of the PCEHR would allow some sanity to return to the world of Australian eHealth. Lets see how many of the NEHTA architects are "snapped up" by private industry...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23447705.post-57318402321557178372013-08-06T22:51:20.137+10:002013-08-06T22:51:20.137+10:00K said:
"Could be that you aren't gettin...K said:<br /><br />"Could be that you aren't getting the answers you want because you're asking them here."<br /><br />I'm specifically interested in the business and system architectures and data models.<br /><br />I've tried the NEHTA site but the only relevant documents there are<br />EP-1048:2011 NEHTA Blueprint v2.0 and<br />EP-1001:2011 PCEHR Architecture v1.35, Bernard Robertson-Dunnhttp://www.problemsfirst.com/blognoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23447705.post-47041902377000749462013-08-06T20:20:59.574+10:002013-08-06T20:20:59.574+10:00Forget contracts and clauses... It is 90 Days and ...Forget contracts and clauses... It is 90 Days and counting down until we finally get rid of a totally useless health system that has been designed for nobody, to deliver nothing meaningful to anyone....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23447705.post-59147688285285648922013-08-06T19:19:22.092+10:002013-08-06T19:19:22.092+10:00> If there are no answers, or unclear answers, ...> If there are no answers, or unclear answers, to those questions<br /><br />I thought the question was clear - as I saw it - basically,<br />"why is the IP licensing clause in the participant agreement so<br />liberal"<br /><br />And I answered that, as did K and anonymous.<br />You apparently don't seem to like the answer(s)<br />but I'm not sure what I can do about that. IAndrew Pattersonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23447705.post-21654039184439791082013-08-06T17:51:48.589+10:002013-08-06T17:51:48.589+10:00"There is lot to be seen here and most of it ..."There is lot to be seen here and most of it is not good. This anxiety is killing the NEHRS right now - rightly"<br /><br />Well, that might be true about other stuff, but if it's really the IP rules that are the problem, that's just really dumb. But I don't think it is - I think that's just a distraction from the main game. <br />Knoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23447705.post-45757352842594359092013-08-06T17:42:43.565+10:002013-08-06T17:42:43.565+10:00Hi K,
Funny so many people are concerned. There i...Hi K,<br /><br />Funny so many people are concerned. There is lot to be seen here and most of it is not good.<br /><br />This anxiety is killing the NEHRS right now - rightly.<br /><br />David.<br />Dr David G More MB PhDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06902724829795199526noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23447705.post-88654330493689386742013-08-06T17:00:15.647+10:002013-08-06T17:00:15.647+10:00"comparing a licence to use a person's po..."comparing a licence to use a person's potentially highly private and personal health information to the Apache license is a bit of a stretch"<br /><br />why? these are IP rules, not rules about clinical access to data. <br /><br />"There is a great risk that uncertainty and a lack of clarity about the way an individual's health information is to be treated"<br /><br /Knoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23447705.post-22523854192611164932013-08-06T16:35:50.006+10:002013-08-06T16:35:50.006+10:00I don't claim to have answers, I only have que...I don't claim to have answers, I only have questions.<br /><br />If there are no answers, or unclear answers, to those questions (assuming they are valid questions) then my response is: why has a system been implemented if these questions have not been answered?<br /><br />And comparing a licence to use a person's potentially highly private and personal health information to the Apache Bernard Robertson-Dunnhttp://www.problemsfirst.com/blognoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23447705.post-28697447276808787712013-08-06T13:28:47.470+10:002013-08-06T13:28:47.470+10:00I've got to agree with Ano@11:38 here.
I thin...I've got to agree with Ano@11:38 here.<br /><br />I think people are confusing IP licensing with access/usage.<br /><br />The PCEHR seems to have some IP licensing rules that are<br />essentially boilerplate for 'noone can sue anyone over<br />IP in this material'. You can find the same text in<br />the apache license for instance. It really just takes<br />intellectual law out of theAndrew Pattersonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23447705.post-44127936240821415772013-08-06T11:38:38.154+10:002013-08-06T11:38:38.154+10:00Bernard, what would happen if you revoked the lice...Bernard, what would happen if you revoked the license, but not the access? what would happen to the audit trail legality if people could revoke the license? What would happen to institutions who had taken a copy for their records if the license was revoked? <br /><br />You seem to be confusing "license" and "access control". The license grants the *license* to do anything - Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23447705.post-43052580446161756162013-08-06T11:04:46.919+10:002013-08-06T11:04:46.919+10:00K said:
"Well, what other license could ther...K said:<br /><br />"Well, what other license could there be?"<br /><br />How about revokable and Australia wide? The licence as it stands seems to imply that the Australian government can send anyone's health data to overseas organisations that happen to store health information. <br /><br />I can't speak for others, but those licence conditions seem rather over the top to me Bernard Robertson-Dunnhttp://www.problemsfirst.com/blognoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23447705.post-4282338285040121702013-08-05T19:02:00.738+10:002013-08-05T19:02:00.738+10:00“You grant us a perpetual, irrevocable, royalty-fr...“You grant us a perpetual, irrevocable, royalty-free and license-fee free, worldwide, non-exclusive licence (including a right to sub-license) to use, reproduce, copy, modify, adapt, publish and communicate (including to other healthcare provider organisations and to organisations that store health information) material you have uploaded to the PCEHR system for the purposes of the PCEHR system”<Knoreply@blogger.com