tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23447705.post8083159862025394978..comments2024-03-29T09:18:22.495+11:00Comments on Australian Health Information Technology: Apparent Australian Censorship of Adverse Academic Commentary on EHR Provider and NSW Health.Dr David G More MB PhDhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06902724829795199526noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23447705.post-29358508281638695292009-10-29T02:10:39.239+11:002009-10-29T02:10:39.239+11:00RE: unsubstantiated surely is not
Agree, but jus...RE: unsubstantiated surely is not<br /><br />Agree, but just to clarify, opinions of EHR's collected from end users and then reported (such as Prof Patrick did) are not "unsubstantiated." Qualitative research uses the narrative of those studied all the time.<br /><br />So it might be better to say "unfettered is fine, made-up is not."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23447705.post-85120916356625415842009-10-28T21:57:18.616+11:002009-10-28T21:57:18.616+11:00Unfettered is fine, unsubstantiated surely is not....Unfettered is fine, unsubstantiated surely is not.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23447705.post-68723162441866909612009-10-28T16:48:27.689+11:002009-10-28T16:48:27.689+11:00"peer review ... is the ultimate academic fre..."peer review ... is the ultimate academic freedom"<br /><br />Quite simply, no.<br /><br />The ability to publish one's thoughts unfettered (absent agitation for criminal actions or fictitious material represented as fact), is the ultimate academic freedom.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23447705.post-88854836304280807792009-10-28T16:45:24.133+11:002009-10-28T16:45:24.133+11:00RE: "We still have no been provided clear in...RE: "We still have no been provided clear information on the reasons for the removal of the paper, whether it was because of government or corporate intervention, and whether it was an appropriate request or not."<br /><br />Question:<br /><br />Being that the paper was suppressed, how can anyone determine whether the request to remove it was 'appropriate' (such as, it defamed Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23447705.post-88473048255841238082009-10-28T16:32:36.056+11:002009-10-28T16:32:36.056+11:00Just a thought, but isn't this easily solveabl...Just a thought, but isn't this easily solveable? Why doesn't the author simply submit a polished version of the paper in question to an academic informatics journal, where it will be peer reviewed, and if found by other academics to be worth publishing, it will out there for all to see for ever more? That is the ultimate academic freedom, and I dont think it is being denied in this case,Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23447705.post-63751117859979877432009-10-28T15:52:55.791+11:002009-10-28T15:52:55.791+11:00"A company or person claiming defamation is n..."A company or person claiming defamation is no grounds for a university to force it faculty to withdraw papers"<br /><br />Well, it might be, sometimes. Newspapers make the same call every day, running stories by legal before publishing, and often taking on and defeating corrupt industry, corrupt government etc. <br /><br />So it is a choice for the university, based upon the advice of Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23447705.post-6758096077792323432009-10-28T13:21:10.482+11:002009-10-28T13:21:10.482+11:00Anonymous poster above,
You write "I make no...Anonymous poster above,<br /><br />You write "I make no judgment where this paper lies in that spectrum, nor whether it was right or not for the paper to be taken down by the university."<br /><br />The point the poster who flamed the other 2 anonymous posts made was that those 2 anonymous posters do not appear to understand the idea of academic freedom.<br /><br />A company or person Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23447705.post-77531546508158153652009-10-28T09:38:24.309+11:002009-10-28T09:38:24.309+11:00Whenever the debate becomes personal, as in the la...Whenever the debate becomes personal, as in the last post, its usually a sign that they have no response to the points being made, and so call the other side names instead.<br /><br />If an academic makes claims about a company's products, that could affect its profitability, do not be surprised if the company uses what powers it has to bite back. <br /><br />There are laws in place to both Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23447705.post-81769605430127065532009-10-28T01:38:42.145+11:002009-10-28T01:38:42.145+11:00Anonymous 9:48 AM "Yes, I actually read this ...Anonymous 9:48 AM "Yes, I actually read this paper and I have to say I am not sure "academic freedom" extends quite as far as mounting what really was an acerbic attack on a vendor"<br /><br />Anonymous 6:31 PM "Being threatened with legal action by a company for writing a paper that they consider libellous because it explicitly criticises its product is not censorship byAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23447705.post-26435723060573564142009-10-26T18:31:37.124+11:002009-10-26T18:31:37.124+11:00Yes, I actually read this paper and I have to say ...Yes, I actually read this paper and I have to say I am not sure "academic freedom" extends quite as far as mounting what really was an acerbic attack on a vendor the author clearly doesn't like whilst including no real corroborative evidence to back up his assertions. Fine to do that using your own blog or whatever but surely not using the University site. Especially when you then Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23447705.post-11727667507423658382009-10-26T09:48:38.343+11:002009-10-26T09:48:38.343+11:00I would like some more details. The paper was repo...I would like some more details. The paper was reportedly 'pulled' from a website run *by the university*. For that to happen, the university IT folks would have had to been asked by someone high up in the university to do so, and the 'high ups' in the university presumably were asked by 'the government'. That's quite a long chain of compliance with external authority,Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23447705.post-71171160215983210432009-10-26T06:12:08.812+11:002009-10-26T06:12:08.812+11:00If true, then these circumstances are unfortunate,...If true, then these circumstances are unfortunate, but also unsurprising. More subtle forms of what is effectively censorship occur regularly, with the 'powers that be' requesting that independent consultants "polish" their final reports and recommendations (ie: sanitise them, make them more politically palatable), "re-consider the issues in a broader framework" (ie: Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23447705.post-57103427392628842902009-10-25T15:51:55.850+11:002009-10-25T15:51:55.850+11:00Note: Prof Patrick asked me to pull the copy of h...Note: Prof Patrick asked me to pull the copy of his paper from my server pending resolution of the issues, so the link above will not work.<br /><br />Dr. S. Silverstein<br />Drexel University<br />Philadelphia, PA USAInformaticsMDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03994321680366572701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23447705.post-80418455411033346122009-10-25T15:33:40.084+11:002009-10-25T15:33:40.084+11:00Spot on Anonymous! One size simply doesn't fit...Spot on Anonymous! One size simply doesn't fit all, for reasons which are pretty obvious even to the non-technically minded.<br /><br />It's not as if this is a new problem either. This debate has been going on in NSW Health since it first developed Health IT systems back in the 1980s, as some of us know from bitter experience. Similar tales can be told of Queensland Health.Jim Cocksnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23447705.post-47267323131884006262009-10-25T12:31:21.031+11:002009-10-25T12:31:21.031+11:00As someone that's worked on this project (NSW ...As someone that's worked on this project (NSW Firstnet), albeit for only a short period, I'm a little despondent that we seem to be failing to heed any of the lessons in this document and others.<br /><br />Victoria is down a similar path with all-round rejection of the HealthSmart Cerner implementation, and Queensland are getting ready to embark on exactly the same approach. <br /><br /Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com